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Q(Question):

since people have an affinity to paper copies, printing has become an issue
with some reports i’m generating. it seems incovenient to the end-users to
have to set the orientation to landscape and their margins to 0.25 – which
results in a beautiful report. they want a link to download a pdf version
that fills all of their needs/wants – something to store/print without
having to muck with printer settings.

i’ve looked at fpdf for generating the pdf itself, but i’d really love not
having to create a wrapper for it that will take the html and feed it to
fpdf including the @media print css that is applied. is there something out
there that would do this already? i’d love to use an ob_start callback to
pump the html to said wrapper and be done with it.

ideas, suggestions?

if only you could get a browser to honor orientation and margin css
directives!

tia,

me

A(Answer):

http://sourceforge.net/projects/tcpdf/ ???

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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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since people have an affinity to paper copies, printing has become an
issue with some reports i’m generating. it seems incovenient to the
end-users to have to set the orientation to landscape and their margins to
0.25 – which results in a beautiful report. they want a link to download a
pdf version that fills all of their needs/wants – something to store/print
without having to muck with printer settings.

i’ve looked at fpdf for generating the pdf itself, but i’d really love not
having to create a wrapper for it that will take the html and feed it to
fpdf including the @media print css that is applied. is there something
out there that would do this already? i’d love to use an ob_start callback
to pump the html to said wrapper and be done with it.

ideas, suggestions?

if only you could get a browser to honor orientation and margin css
directives!

I *so* don’t get how this is a problem.
When I use media-print CSS stylesheets – I get exactly what I specify in the
CSS file.
And as far as I can tell – it comes out the same on every printer.

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>since people have an affinity to paper copies, printing has become an
issue with some reports i’m generating. it seems incovenient to the
end-users to have to set the orientation to landscape and their margins
to 0.25 – which results in a beautiful report. they want a link to
download a pdf version that fills all of their needs/wants – something to
store/print without having to muck with printer settings.

i’ve looked at fpdf for generating the pdf itself, but i’d really love
not having to create a wrapper for it that will take the html and feed it
to fpdf including the @media print css that is applied. is there
something out there that would do this already? i’d love to use an
ob_start callback to pump the html to said wrapper and be done with it.

ideas, suggestions?

if only you could get a browser to honor orientation and margin css
directives!

I *so* don’t get how this is a problem.
When I use media-print CSS stylesheets – I get exactly what I specify in
the CSS file.

i *so* don’t get it either. maybe i’ve got a type-o or am
referencing/misspelling the attribute. would you post your media print
sample to print landscape with all margins at 0.25"

thx

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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in news:WO************@newsfe12.lga:

since people have an affinity to paper copies, printing has become an
issue with some reports i’m generating. it seems incovenient to the
end-users to have to set the orientation to landscape and their
margins to 0.25 – which results in a beautiful report. they want a
link to download a pdf version that fills all of their needs/wants –
something to store/print without having to muck with printer settings.

i’ve looked at fpdf for generating the pdf itself, but i’d really love
not having to create a wrapper for it that will take the html and feed
it to fpdf including the @media print css that is applied. is there
something out there that would do this already? i’d love to use an
ob_start callback to pump the html to said wrapper and be done with
it.

ideas, suggestions?

I prepare nice-looking, properly formatted PDFs quite often via PHP, but
I don’t know if my solution is feasible for you. My solution is the
product Prince (http://www.princexml.com/ ) which is able to take XML
(ie: XHTML) or even just plain HTML and turn it into a PDF with *full
and complete CSS support*. It’s bloody brilliant, but here’s the
"unfeasible (infeasible?)" part: it costs $3800USD for a server license.

That being said, if you send them a nice email when you’re ready to buy
it (you can d/l a free working version that outputs watermarks) and
plead "im poor", they might offer you a discount (we got it at half the
price – the PDFs we’re generating aren’t really making us more money).

So, I fopen my php page, echo/save it as a .html file, then send the
html file to Prince via the PHP api class they supply.

I must say it works *brilliantly* and really there is no other product
on the market that comes even remotely close in terms of functionality
and ease of use. You can set page margins, footers, headers, page
numbering, font embedding, bookmarks, security settings, etc etc. Visit
the website for more info. Their tech support is fantastic, and a few
‘requests’ that I’ve made quickly found their way into published
releases.

For those who understand that good PDF output requires more than
printing from the browser with a "print" stylesheet, this is the product
for you.

I am a highly satisfied customer!

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"Good Man" <he***@letsgo.comwrote in message
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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in news:WO************@newsfe12.lga:

>since people have an affinity to paper copies, printing has become an
issue with some reports i’m generating. it seems incovenient to the
end-users to have to set the orientation to landscape and their
margins to 0.25 – which results in a beautiful report. they want a
link to download a pdf version that fills all of their needs/wants –
something to store/print without having to muck with printer settings.

i’ve looked at fpdf for generating the pdf itself, but i’d really love
not having to create a wrapper for it that will take the html and feed
it to fpdf including the @media print css that is applied. is there
something out there that would do this already? i’d love to use an
ob_start callback to pump the html to said wrapper and be done with
it.

ideas, suggestions?

I prepare nice-looking, properly formatted PDFs quite often via PHP, but
I don’t know if my solution is feasible for you. My solution is the
product Prince (http://www.princexml.com/ ) which is able to take XML
(ie: XHTML) or even just plain HTML and turn it into a PDF with *full
and complete CSS support*. It’s bloody brilliant, but here’s the
"unfeasible (infeasible?)" part: it costs $3800USD for a server license.

That being said, if you send them a nice email when you’re ready to buy
it (you can d/l a free working version that outputs watermarks) and
plead "im poor", they might offer you a discount (we got it at half the
price – the PDFs we’re generating aren’t really making us more money).

So, I fopen my php page, echo/save it as a .html file, then send the
html file to Prince via the PHP api class they supply.

I must say it works *brilliantly* and really there is no other product
on the market that comes even remotely close in terms of functionality
and ease of use. You can set page margins, footers, headers, page
numbering, font embedding, bookmarks, security settings, etc etc. Visit
the website for more info. Their tech support is fantastic, and a few
‘requests’ that I’ve made quickly found their way into published
releases.

For those who understand that good PDF output requires more than
printing from the browser with a "print" stylesheet, this is the product
for you.

I am a highly satisfied customer!

thanks for the response.

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>i *so* don’t get it either. maybe i’ve got a type-o or am
referencing/misspelling the attribute. would you post your media print
sample to print landscape with all margins at 0.25"

body {
onload: javascript:’alert("When printer dialogue is displayed, make
sure to select -landscape-.")’;
}

… or something like it.

please tell me you’re joking, right? i’m taking about using css to set
margins and page orientation…not the user. but, i know the above is a
joke.

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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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>"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>>i *so* don’t get it either. maybe i’ve got a type-o or am
referencing/misspelling the attribute. would you post your media print
sample to print landscape with all margins at 0.25"

body {
onload: javascript:’alert("When printer dialogue is displayed, make
sure to select -landscape-.")’;
}

… or something like it.

please tell me you’re joking, right? i’m taking about using css to set
margins and page orientation…not the user. but, i know the above is a
joke.

No joke.

What you are thinking of is the page media "size" property and its
"landscape" and "portrait" values.

They were around in CSS 2 but were dropped in CSS 2.1. They are
re-introduced in CSS 3 but nobody actually supports them. IE is unlikely to
support them for a long time, as it still doesn’t support even CSS 2.1
properly.

No support === not usable so instructing the user is the next best thing.

Google groups for <css size landscapeand settle down for a good read ๐Ÿ™‚


Richard.

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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>… or something like it.

please tell me you’re joking, right? i’m taking about using css to set
margins and page orientation…not the user. but, i know the above is a
joke.

Semi-joking.
I think that trying to make web pages for printers is like trying to make
radio broadcasts for television.
Whenever someone is doing that, it’s a clear sign that they don’t GET the
internet.

It’s totally cool to allow users to download an ALTERNATE print version of
something.
But if you’re using PDF as a web page – you’re not really making a web page.

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Sanders Kaufman wrote:

"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>>… or something like it.

please tell me you’re joking, right? i’m taking about using css to set
margins and page orientation…not the user. but, i know the above is a
joke.

Semi-joking.
I think that trying to make web pages for printers is like trying to make
radio broadcasts for television.
Whenever someone is doing that, it’s a clear sign that they don’t GET the
internet.

It’s totally cool to allow users to download an ALTERNATE print version of
something.
But if you’re using PDF as a web page – you’re not really making a web page.

I wouldn’t go that far, but I get your point.

CSS can somewhat get you there. But if you need a specific layout, you
need to create a pdf.


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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
js*******@attglobal.net
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>>… or something like it.

please tell me you’re joking, right? i’m taking about using css to set
margins and page orientation…not the user. but, i know the above is a
joke.

Semi-joking.
I think that trying to make web pages for printers is like trying to make
radio broadcasts for television.
Whenever someone is doing that, it’s a clear sign that they don’t GET the
internet.

It’s totally cool to allow users to download an ALTERNATE print version of
something.
But if you’re using PDF as a web page – you’re not really making a web
page.

sanders, i don’t want to get into it…so i’ll keep my usual tone out of it
this time. ;^)

i’m not using pdf as a web page. expecting to have css standards implemented
in a uniform manner by all browsers (a dream, i know) doesn’t mean a person
doesn’t "get" the internet…any more than someone puzzled at why a desktop
application may or may not work on pc v. another.

further, it is common to generate a report for the web. it is also common
for users to want to print that report. there are instructions in css that
*should* allow for control over printing configuration for that report as
well. since you said you *never* have a problem with that, i very
skeptically asked if you’d post the css you use. perhaps i wasn’t doing
something right. i now see my skepticism was founded as your solution is
javascript alerts – which doesn’t even come close to my op question!
moreover, you put an exlamation point on my doubts about what you’re saying
because of the analogy concluding that ‘getting’ the internet == dropping
expectations of print configuration.

do you see why people (esp. me) go off on you? you are self-contradictory
and your solutions are so simple (something to strive for) that they don’t
even address the problem (which shouldn’t be a goal).

anyway, that’s as nice as i can put it. i’ll leave it at, i’m not happy with
your apparent lack of understanding of the op, nor i’m i pleased that said
misunderstanding promoted your insult(s).

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"rf" <[email protected] in message
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>
"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>>
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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>>"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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i *so* don’t get it either. maybe i’ve got a type-o or am
referencing/misspelling the attribute. would you post your media print
sample to print landscape with all margins at 0.25"

body {
onload: javascript:’alert("When printer dialogue is displayed, make
sure to select -landscape-.")’;
}

… or something like it.

please tell me you’re joking, right? i’m taking about using css to set
margins and page orientation…not the user. but, i know the above is a
joke.

No joke.

What you are thinking of is the page media "size" property and its
"landscape" and "portrait" values.

They were around in CSS 2 but were dropped in CSS 2.1. They are
re-introduced in CSS 3 but nobody actually supports them. IE is unlikely
to support them for a long time, as it still doesn’t support even CSS 2.1
properly.

No support === not usable so instructing the user is the next best thing.

Google groups for <css size landscapeand settle down for a good read ๐Ÿ™‚

thanks richard. that was my understanding too. i had to ask it though…i
really don’t want to buy a pdf lib or wrap fpdf in a class that does what i
want. anyway, it seems that’s what’s on the menu.

thanks again.

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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

do you see why people (esp. me) go off on you? you are self-contradictory
and your solutions are so simple (something to strive for) that they don’t
even address the problem (which shouldn’t be a goal).

Actually – other than you and Jerry, I’ve been enjoying a sweet LACK of
people going off on me in this newsgroup.

Where you go wrong here is in thinking that by *advancing* the discussion,
I’m somehow being argumentative.
That’s called "projection".

Shelly thought that by *advancing* the discussion, I was trying to "get the
last word".
I suspect there was a bit of projection going on there, too.

But that’s not true – I’m just enjoying putting in the *next* word.
That’s how *really* good disucssions progress to a conclusion.
…. as this one did, about 10 posts back.

anyway, that’s as nice as i can put it. i’ll leave it at, i’m not happy
with your apparent lack of understanding of the op, nor i’m i pleased that
said misunderstanding promoted your insult(s).

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Where you go wrong here is in thinking that by *advancing* the discussion,

I’m somehow being argumentative.
That’s called "projection".

funny, i just replied to one of your posts in this thread where i told you
not to project. seems not only am i familiar with the word, i know how to
use it and when to recognize it.

the problem is that what you’re ‘advancing’ has NOTHING to do WITH the
discussion. calling you back to task is NOT argumentative. "projection"
would mean i’m taking something and affixing it to something else when the
target is not at fault, essentially. if by ‘projection’ you mean, ‘ignore
the entire question that was asked so that i can wax prophetic about
unrelated issues so as to sound like i actually know something’…then yes,
i’d agree with that definition. the only problem is, the ‘i’ in that
definition is the pronoun for ‘sanders kaufman’.

Shelly thought that by *advancing* the discussion, I was trying to "get
the last word".
I suspect there was a bit of projection going on there, too.

yes, we’re ALL out to get you. me, jerry, and now shelly. (shakes head,
relenting to the stupidity of it all)

But that’s not true – I’m just enjoying putting in the *next* word.
That’s how *really* good disucssions progress to a conclusion.
… as this one did, about 10 posts back.

don’t you just loooovvvveee semantics. ‘next’. lol.

anyway, sanders, it would help if your ‘next’ word was somehow germain to
the conversation at hand. THAT would be how ‘really good discussions
progress’. posting ‘solutions’ that don’t address the op concerns or
criticizing the *business contraints* by which one is asked to do
things…that only leads us to the ‘conclusion’ that you’re head is up your
ass.

listen, if you can’t stay on task then stay out of the conversation to begin
with. as far as the gang-bang you perceive, notice that jerry, shelly, and i
are very consistently showing you how the sweeping statements you are wont
to blanket the world in is perferated with holes…we’re just pointing out
that your blanket is more an afgan.

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

let me also point out your modus apparandi. you clipped out EVERYTHING that
explained very plainly what i said was the problem and how you dipshittedly
NEVER answered it except that ‘you don’t know the internet if you want to do
that’. your second post boasted of you being able to set page orientation
and margins using css when needing to print, and NEVER having a problem with
it. again, since javascript is NOT css, i ask you to post your *magic* css
here. i’m just going to keep this all a one block paragraph so that you have
to work harder to try and get out of looking a fool by clipping the
certainty proof affords.

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in
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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>>… or something like it.

please tell me you’re joking, right? i’m taking about using css to
set margins and page orientation…not the user. but, i know the
above is a joke.

Semi-joking.
I think that trying to make web pages for printers is like trying to
make radio broadcasts for television.
Whenever someone is doing that, it’s a clear sign that they don’t GET
the internet.

It’s totally cool to allow users to download an ALTERNATE print
version of something.
But if you’re using PDF as a web page – you’re not really making a web
page.

Just to bud in here, I’ll bring up my web application. We have a system
that parses data from text files and stores them in the database where
they can be manipulated/referenced etc etc. From time to time, clients
need hardcopies of information related to this data in the form of
professionally printable charts. So, I have a script that creates
complicated tables-based charts in XHTML, and then that file goes to
Prince (http://www.princexml.com) where the file is made into a
beautiful PDF according to stylesheets – crop marks, accurate colour,
accurate layout, accurate fonts, accurate font control, accurate printer
margins – that the web simply cannot do.

PHP being used in this instance for something entirely web unrelated…
again, PDFs have their place, and if you want to make professional
looking and printing PDFs for clients that are based on web data, why
not use PHP to make them?

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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Shelly thought that by *advancing* the discussion, I was trying to "get
the last word".
I suspect there was a bit of projection going on there, too.

Uh, no. Apparantly you missed the smiley at the end of that sentence. I
was making a little joke by twisting a familiar expression. Because you were
talking about a letter and so I said "You can have the last word/letter
:-)". There was no debate or agrument. It was only a little joke on the
English language. Relax.

Shelly

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"Shelly" <sh************@asap-consult.comwrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>Shelly thought that by *advancing* the discussion, I was trying to "get
the last word".
I suspect there was a bit of projection going on there, too.

Uh, no. Apparantly you missed the smiley at the end of that sentence. I
was making a little joke by twisting a familiar expression. Because you
were talking about a letter and so I said "You can have the last
word/letter :-)". There was no debate or agrument. It was only a little
joke on the English language. Relax.

‘Scuse me. I was projecting onto you.
If you had, you would have been one of about a zillion chicks in my life who
have told me that I always have to get in the last word.
And that’s all I have to say about that! ๐Ÿ˜‰

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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

let me also point out your modus apparandi. you clipped out EVERYTHING
that explained very plainly what i said was the problem and how you
dipshittedly

That’s just netiquette.
It’s impolite to quote entire posts – since the already exist right there in
the thread.
Better to snip away the portions irrelevant to the response.

I understand that it is very frustrating for you – but I just don’t have the
time or will to correct you on *everything*.

NEVER answered it except that ‘you don’t know the internet if you want to
do that’. your second post boasted of you being able to set page
orientation and margins using css when needing to print, and NEVER having
a problem with it. again, since javascript is NOT css, i ask you to post
your *magic* css here. i’m just going to keep this all a one block
paragraph so that you have to work harder to try and get out of looking a
fool by clipping the certainty proof affords.

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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>But that’s not true – I’m just enjoying putting in the *next* word.
That’s how *really* good disucssions progress to a conclusion.
… as this one did, about 10 posts back.

don’t you just loooovvvveee semantics. ‘next’. lol.

Yes. Yes, I do.

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>>But that’s not true – I’m just enjoying putting in the *next* word.
That’s how *really* good disucssions progress to a conclusion.
… as this one did, about 10 posts back.

don’t you just loooovvvveee semantics. ‘next’. lol.

Yes. Yes, I do.

that’s right…snip and cover.

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>let me also point out your modus apparandi. you clipped out EVERYTHING
that explained very plainly what i said was the problem and how you
dipshittedly

That’s just netiquette.
It’s impolite to quote entire posts – since the already exist right there
in the thread.

especially the quotes that show sanders kaufman to be a bit moronic.

Better to snip away the portions irrelevant to the response.

no, people would benefit from knowing the weight of your responses.

I understand that it is very frustrating for you – but I just don’t have
the time or will to correct you on *everything*.

lol. and the thread id to which you refer is? i can certainly provide you
with several to which i, shelly, jerry, and others offer correction on your
many misgivings about php. but oh yeah, we’re all out to get you.

>NEVER answered it except that ‘you don’t know the internet if you want to
do that’. your second post boasted of you being able to set page
orientation and margins using css when needing to print, and NEVER having
a problem with it. again, since javascript is NOT css, i ask you to post
your *magic* css here. i’m just going to keep this all a one block
paragraph so that you have to work harder to try and get out of looking a
fool by clipping the certainty proof affords.

i see you left it in…just can’t prove it wrong. where’s the css?

roflmao

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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"Shelly" <sh************@asap-consult.comwrote in message
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>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>>Shelly thought that by *advancing* the discussion, I was trying to "get
the last word".
I suspect there was a bit of projection going on there, too.

Uh, no. Apparantly you missed the smiley at the end of that sentence. I
was making a little joke by twisting a familiar expression. Because you
were talking about a letter and so I said "You can have the last
word/letter :-)". There was no debate or agrument. It was only a little
joke on the English language. Relax.

‘Scuse me. I was projecting onto you.
If you had, you would have been one of about a zillion chicks in my life
who have told me that I always have to get in the last word.
And that’s all I have to say about that! ๐Ÿ˜‰

gump…you have a new fav. word? projection?

while i’m sure you aren’t calling shelly your ‘bitch’, your statement would
infer with statistical significance that it is likly you do have to get in
the last word. a zillion? you must be chisled like a greek god because i
doubt it’s your intellect that holds their attention. ;^)

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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"Shelly" <sh************@asap-consult.comwrote in message
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>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>>Shelly thought that by *advancing* the discussion, I was trying to "get
the last word".
I suspect there was a bit of projection going on there, too.

Uh, no. Apparantly you missed the smiley at the end of that sentence. I
was making a little joke by twisting a familiar expression. Because you
were talking about a letter and so I said "You can have the last
word/letter :-)". There was no debate or agrument. It was only a little
joke on the English language. Relax.

‘Scuse me. I was projecting onto you.
If you had, you would have been one of about a zillion chicks in my life
who have told me that I always have to get in the last word.
And that’s all I have to say about that! ๐Ÿ˜‰

My wife and I have been married for over four decades. I can assure you I
have no such interest in you :-).

Shelly
(Sheldon)

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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>>don’t you just loooovvvveee semantics. ‘next’. lol.

Yes. Yes, I do.

that’s right…snip and cover.

I’m truely sorry that I cannot address every single issue you bring up –
real or imagined.
I wish you great success in finding someone who can… and will.

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"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>I wasn’t aware that HTML/CSS was a Microsoft-only technology.

It isn’t. But what MS calls a browser is a piece of crap (at least

I’ve got about 100 million of my closest friends that say otherwise.
They work in churches, military bases, goverment offices and other whore
houses throughout the world.

Watchoo gots, champ?

through IE 6 – haven’t tried 7). And most of the time their other
products generate crap code which only works on IE.


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"Shelly" <sh************@asap-consult.comwrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>If you had, you would have been one of about a zillion chicks in my life
who have told me that I always have to get in the last word.
And that’s all I have to say about that! ๐Ÿ˜‰

My wife and I have been married for over four decades. I can assure you I
have no such interest in you :-).

I knew that you were a dude when you expressed surprise that a teenage girl
would not know *everything* about phone-chatting.

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
news:o1****************@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net …

"Shelly" <sh************@asap-consult.comwrote in message
news:13*************@corp.supernews.com…

>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>>If you had, you would have been one of about a zillion chicks in my life
who have told me that I always have to get in the last word.
And that’s all I have to say about that! ๐Ÿ˜‰

My wife and I have been married for over four decades. I can assure you
I have no such interest in you :-).

I knew that you were a dude when you expressed surprise that a teenage
girl would not know *everything* about phone-chatting.

Not to get the last word in :-), but that is not what I said. I said I
couldn’t understand WHY do texting when talking is so much easier.

Shelly

A(Answer):

Butting in as an aside..

Steve, whats your opinion of an RTF format?

I need to generate invoices and suchlike from a PHP/apache combo, and
PDF’s look a shade overkill.

I MAY simply print to a queue on the server in PCL or somesuch, but that
won’t work for remote clients.

I wpld sem o have three chocices fir siomething that gos in a web screen
or an email

HTML, with all the bollocks that entails,.
PDF and all the bollocks THAT entails.
Plain Text, and fudge the graphics
RTF?

what else is possible?

Not looking for obscure comapatibility issues: Just a robust 95%
solution that almost everyone will be able to use.

>

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
news:n1***************@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net. ..

"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
news:P9******************************@comcast.com. ..

>Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>>I wasn’t aware that HTML/CSS was a Microsoft-only technology.

It isn’t. But what MS calls a browser is a piece of crap (at least

I’ve got about 100 million of my closest friends that say otherwise.
They work in churches, military bases, goverment offices and other whore
houses throughout the world.

Watchoo gots, champ?

100 million…is that like the ‘zillion’ girfriends?

just because people are pragmatic with their money setting up windows
desktops that are very touchy-feely, and have a propensity toward
standardization of software, it does NOT mean that those under the
*direction* of their employ LIKE or in anyway AFFIRM the quality of the
browser to which you say those numbers attest. your being prone to
exaggeration coupled with your illogical conclusions.

fallacy of conclusion.

"organic things are good for you, so uranium must be good for you"

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
news:n1****************@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net …

"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
news:K_***********@newsfe05.lga…

>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>>>don’t you just loooovvvveee semantics. ‘next’. lol.

Yes. Yes, I do.

that’s right…snip and cover.

I’m truely sorry that I cannot address every single issue you bring up –
real or imagined.
I wish you great success in finding someone who can… and will.

i don’t care if you respond to *anything*…in fact, i prefer you don’t
given your track record on usefullness. i DO care that when you DO respond,
that you DON’T conveniently clip the things that show not only that you’re
wrong, but stupid.

A(Answer):

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Butting in as an aside..

Steve, whats your opinion of an RTF format?

I need to generate invoices and suchlike from a PHP/apache combo, and
PDF’s look a shade overkill.

I MAY simply print to a queue on the server in PCL or somesuch, but that
won’t work for remote clients.

I wpld sem o have three chocices fir siomething that gos in a web screen
or an email

HTML, with all the bollocks that entails,.
PDF and all the bollocks THAT entails.
Plain Text, and fudge the graphics
RTF?

what else is possible?

Not looking for obscure comapatibility issues: Just a robust 95%
solution that almost everyone will be able to use.

>>

The "problem" with rtf’s is that they are still open to interpretation.
For instance, whichever program is interpreting the file may break a
line where *it* seems fit, not where you think it should be broken.

Now this may be an advantage – i.e. if they’re printing War and Peace,
it gives them the ability to break lines at convenient places. But if
you’re doing an invoice, it may not be so good.

With PDF’s you get *exactly* what you put in the file. Which is good
for invoices, but not War and Peace.


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Steve wrote:

"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
news:n1***************@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net. ..

>"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
news:P9******************************@comcast.com …

>>Sanders Kaufman wrote:
I wasn’t aware that HTML/CSS was a Microsoft-only technology.
It isn’t. But what MS calls a browser is a piece of crap (at least

I’ve got about 100 million of my closest friends that say otherwise.
They work in churches, military bases, goverment offices and other whore
houses throughout the world.

Watchoo gots, champ?

100 million…is that like the ‘zillion’ girfriends?

just because people are pragmatic with their money setting up windows
desktops that are very touchy-feely, and have a propensity toward
standardization of software, it does NOT mean that those under the
*direction* of their employ LIKE or in anyway AFFIRM the quality of the
browser to which you say those numbers attest. your being prone to
exaggeration coupled with your illogical conclusions.

fallacy of conclusion.

"organic things are good for you, so uranium must be good for you"

Damn – you mean uranium *isn’t* good for you? Wait until I tell my wife
(she’s in that industry ๐Ÿ™‚ ).

Maybe that’s why I don’t sleep well. The glow keeps me awake ๐Ÿ™‚

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Sanders Kaufman wrote:

"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
news:L_************@newsfe05.lga…

>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>>’Scuse me. I was projecting onto you.
If you had, you would have been one of about a zillion chicks in my life
who have told me that I always have to get in the last word.
And that’s all I have to say about that! ๐Ÿ˜‰

gump…you have a new fav. word? projection?

If you do a google search on ("Sanders Kaufman" +"Mental Illness") you’ll
find that I’ve been exploring the emotional aspects of structured and
unstructured communities for quite some time.
You just think *I’m* new to it because you’re…. projecting.

A very interesting combination… ๐Ÿ™‚


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"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
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Steve wrote:

>"organic things are good for you, so uranium must be good for you"

Damn – you mean uranium *isn’t* good for you? Wait until I tell my wife
(she’s in that industry ๐Ÿ™‚ ).

Maybe that’s why I don’t sleep well. The glow keeps me awake ๐Ÿ™‚

Wow – you guys BOTH think that Uranium is "organic"?
Wow.

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"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
news:Ki***********@newsfe12.lga…

"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>I’ve got about 100 million of my closest friends that say otherwise.
They work in churches, military bases, goverment offices and other whore
houses throughout the world.

Watchoo gots, champ?

100 million…is that like the ‘zillion’ girfriends?

just because people are pragmatic with their money setting up windows
desktops that are very touchy-feely, and have a propensity toward
standardization of software, it does NOT mean that those under the
*direction* of their employ LIKE or in anyway AFFIRM the quality of the
browser to which you say those numbers attest.

The affirmation comes at home – where the vast majority of users also choose
to use IE.

>
fallacy of conclusion.

"organic things are good for you, so uranium must be good for you"

A(Answer):

"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
news:2l************@newsfe12.lga…

"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>I’m truely sorry that I cannot address every single issue you bring up –
real or imagined.
I wish you great success in finding someone who can… and will.

i don’t care if you respond to *anything*…in fact, i prefer you don’t

If you would like me to stop conversing with me… it’s in your power to do
so.

given your track record on usefullness. i DO care that when you DO
respond, that you DON’T conveniently clip the things that show not only
that you’re wrong, but stupid.

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"Shelly" <sh************@asap-consult.comwrote in message
news:13*************@corp.supernews.com…

"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>I knew that you were a dude when you expressed surprise that a teenage
girl would not know *everything* about phone-chatting.

Not to get the last word in :-), but that is not what I said. I said I
couldn’t understand WHY do texting when talking is so much easier.

Oh – that’s an easy one. Because it’s kewl.

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Sanders Kaufman wrote:

"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
news:Ki***********@newsfe12.lga…

>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>>I’ve got about 100 million of my closest friends that say otherwise.
They work in churches, military bases, goverment offices and other whore
houses throughout the world.

Watchoo gots, champ?

100 million…is that like the ‘zillion’ girfriends?

just because people are pragmatic with their money setting up windows
desktops that are very touchy-feely, and have a propensity toward
standardization of software, it does NOT mean that those under the
*direction* of their employ LIKE or in anyway AFFIRM the quality of the
browser to which you say those numbers attest.

The affirmation comes at home – where the vast majority of users also choose
to use IE.

>fallacy of conclusion.

"organic things are good for you, so uranium must be good for you"

And 100 million users can’t be wrong? ROFLMAO!

I’ve heard some stupid things, Sanders, but in this case you REALLY have
no clue.


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"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
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Steve wrote:

>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
news:n1***************@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net …

>>"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
news:P9******************************@comcast.co m…
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
I wasn’t aware that HTML/CSS was a Microsoft-only technology.
It isn’t. But what MS calls a browser is a piece of crap (at least
I’ve got about 100 million of my closest friends that say otherwise.
They work in churches, military bases, goverment offices and other whore
houses throughout the world.

Watchoo gots, champ?

100 million…is that like the ‘zillion’ girfriends?

just because people are pragmatic with their money setting up windows
desktops that are very touchy-feely, and have a propensity toward
standardization of software, it does NOT mean that those under the
*direction* of their employ LIKE or in anyway AFFIRM the quality of the
browser to which you say those numbers attest. your being prone to
exaggeration coupled with your illogical conclusions.

fallacy of conclusion.

"organic things are good for you, so uranium must be good for you"

Damn – you mean uranium *isn’t* good for you? Wait until I tell my wife
(she’s in that industry ๐Ÿ™‚ ).

Maybe that’s why I don’t sleep well. The glow keeps me awake ๐Ÿ™‚

lol

๐Ÿ™‚

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"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
news:_8******************************@comcast.com. ..

Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>The affirmation comes at home – where the vast majority of users also
choose to use IE.

And 100 million users can’t be wrong? ROFLMAO!

When stating their *own* preference – no, they can’t be.
I realize that you think you know what people want.
And that what you think they want is not what they actually choose to do.
And that you think you know better than they what they want.
But that’s just crazy.

I’ve found that it’s always better to determine what folks want by the
choices they make.

I’ve heard some stupid things, Sanders, but in this case you REALLY have
no clue.

I have 100Million clues.
Whatchoo got, champ – besides faith?

A(Answer):

"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
news:eT***************@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com…

"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
news:_8******************************@comcast.com. ..

>Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>>The affirmation comes at home – where the vast majority of users also
choose to use IE.

And 100 million users can’t be wrong? ROFLMAO!

When stating their *own* preference – no, they can’t be.
I realize that you think you know what people want.
And that what you think they want is not what they actually choose to do.
And that you think you know better than they what they want.
But that’s just crazy.

I’ve found that it’s always better to determine what folks want by the
choices they make.

>I’ve heard some stupid things, Sanders, but in this case you REALLY have
no clue.

I have 100Million clues.
Whatchoo got, champ – besides faith?

hey ‘chump’…let’s have the cite for the 1M. as we know, you are HIGHLY
prone to exaggeration. i’d like to see the numbers AND the survey(s). so,
unless you have a cite, you’ve got even less than faith…you’ve got a lie.